Nisaa's plentiful questions thread

Nisaa wrote:

But what if you want to learn all 4 and rulings drawn by salafis too... =o

Can you do that?

It will take you a very long time but it can be done, in fact it's something that i personally would like to do.

My ustaadh doesn't agree with it at all though, he says you must just learn your madhab and that's it

I want to learn it all..

Do you think I could... ?

Or even, not completely but basic rulings concerning... you know why? Because I feel like.. I feel sometimes that evidences used for certain things are stronger in my opinion in some than others.. would you not go for what you feel is stronger? Honestly? Even if it wasn't in your madhab..

I dunno what madhab to follow if I should... =( Don't like be "whaaaaaaaa??!".. I don't know.. I'm confused.. *sigh* I talked to a few people and what they said made sense to me and it somewhat conflicted with the rulings in hanafi madhab because I asked the question and was confused about some stuff, their argument on that issue was stronger to me but I'm just.. I need to learn.. =( And it's so confusing..

Nisaa wrote:

I want to learn it all..

Do you think I could... ?

Or even, not completely but basic rulings concerning... you know why? Because I feel like.. I feel sometimes that evidences used for certain things are stronger in my opinion in some than others.. would you not go for what you feel is stronger? Honestly? Even if it wasn't in your madhab..

Do i think you could? sure, you got the desire to learn, and you aren't dull so it would be quite possible for you to do it, the thing would be to get female madaaris for each madhab, that's the difficult part.

You know in a madhab there isn't only one single view on things right?

Take the issue of female feet being awrah for instance, within the hanafi madhab there's three views,

1: That it's not awrah (that's the chosen view of the madhab)
2: That it's awrah in salaah (that's the view of imaam Tahaawi Rahimahullaah)
3: That it's awrah (that's the view of people like moulana abdul hayy lucknowi)

I now have not studied this issue in depth, so i know not what is the proof for the feet not being awrah, so to my limited knowledge the third view is the strongest, thus i prefer that view.

So many times you don't even have to look out of your madhab to have a different view.

Then take another issue like blood breaking wudhu, if you look at our dalaail you'll find people saying this narration is ghareeb and this one is weak and this one isn't so strong and so on, but we have lots of narrations and they strengthen each other, but what's more is that we narrate that view from the fuqahaa of the sahaabah radhiallaahu anhum that blood breaks wudhu.

So firstly you have to study each madhab and their proofs properly, and not just do as some ghayr muqallideen do and say "oh this narration is weak so i'll follow this", because if you haven't studied then you don't know whether there's another hadeeth which backs up that "weak" one, and whether the one you find strong is not made mansookh by a later hadeeth and so on.

Really when you study then you'll see how wide everything is

Nisaa wrote:

I dunno what madhab to follow if I should... =( Don't like be "whaaaaaaaa??!".. I don't know.. I'm confused.. *sigh* I talked to a few people and what they said made sense to me and it somewhat conflicted with the rulings in hanafi madhab because I asked the question and was confused about some stuff, their argument on that issue was stronger to me but I'm just.. I need to learn.. =( And it's so confusing..

What was the topic about if i may ask?

We all need to learn, believe me when you haven't learnt your view will be very different to when you have learnt.

I've seen it myself, i see a thing in one way before knowing anything on the subject, then i study the subject and then i see it in a new light.

Hmm... it started off with the 7 parts touching in sujood... and how if women have to have their feet to the side, the toes don't touch.. and the salaah of women. But I felt confident with what I decided was best for me to go with and then I suddenly felt confused again, I made lots of dua for guidance too.. I just don't know.. I don't know. =( I thought if I start off without really messing with the madhab stuff it may be easier for me as my brining up hasn't really been hanafi strict strict... and then go into it because there's things I don't know the evidences of and I feel stupid for blindly following.. I want to learn all so I could decide which I felt was strongest for me, closest to the sunnah. The sisters I talked to, didn't follow a madhab, they gave me some things to read but I've just been so confused I'm not sure anymore.

Certain things salafis do is new, like their standing foot to foot, that is not the proper view and there is no daleel for it, in act amongst the salafis there is two views, one view says you don't stand foot to foot, ibn uthaymeen held that view.

As for the salaah of women being different, MMS has posted on ummah a thread proving that womens salaah is different to mens.

Although i agree that everyone should learn about their madhab, but if a person doesn't learn then too he's following the right path, because the madhaaib have been proven correct for more than 1000 years, why should it change all of a sudden now?

I've read that loads of times..

and the issue I had was of the seven parts that HAVE to touch.. because Allah commanded the prophet that the forehead, nose, two hands, two knees, and toes have to touch, my concern was that they don't according to hanafi fiqh, they don't touch! =( If Allah commanded it then where does it say women are an exception. The thing is with the evidence it's all good and clear but I just feel unsatisfied with it all..

That's maybe where my lack of knowing things plays into part.

You see we have an usul which states "al-aktharu 7ukmul kull" which means "most of something takes the ruling of all", literally it doesn't make sense but i'll explain it now.

So according to this usul is most of your head touches the ground but a piece doesn't then your sajdah is still valid, whereas with that view your sajdah will be invalid.

According to that view if all your toes do not completely totally touch the floor then your sajda is invalid, and when your sajdah is invalid then you have lost a rukn, and when you have lost a rukn then.........well you get gist.

Our view is not weak in the least.

But i suppose that has nothing to do with your question does it?

Your question is that womens feet points to the side is it not? hence it goes back to the difference between the salaah of men and women, in that article MMS posted does it not mention there about womens feet to the side?

And just remember one thing, just because a hadeeth is in bukhaari does not mean it is stronger than a hadeeth that is not in it, because as i mentioned earlier the hadeeth that is in bukhaari could have been abrogated by another hadeeth and that hadeeth is not mentioned in bukhaari, so if you were to simply take the one from bukhaari then you would be following the previous ruling, you get my point?

What would you honestly suggest I do?

I feel lost.

Honestly, i'd suggest you make your salaah according to the hanafi madhab the way you used to make.

Unfortunately there isn't much resources on masaa'il related to females, otherwise i'd have done some research on the topic and see what the 4 madhabs say regarding the salaah of men vs women.

I don't know though..

I dunno why I'm just not satisfied with all there is, is that wrong, maybe I'm faulty

You're not faulty, you just need to know more, that's why i've telling you so much that you should go for that aalimah course, it'll be one decision you deffo wont regret.

Of course I won't regret it, it's just nerves and fear and stuff I guess.. but anyway.

What's there to be afraid of?

I've no idea. Well anyway depends if I get in.. I know I shouldn't worry about the people because I'm there to learn yada yada I can't explain it to people.

you don't have to worry about people, i don't know much about female madaaris but i don't think you'll have any problems, anyway i don't think it you'd have more problems than what you had in college.

Insha Allah.

for all your help. I'm proper sorry for being annoying with my questions. Maybe I can just ask my teacher after I get in, and yeah I feel positive about it now.. I just hope it isn't too late. =(

May Allah grant you Jannah and everyone else too. Ameen.

Oh I had a question that's answer just need clarifying..

Dopey people need a whack in the head, but anyway I realised that my kohl was waterproof.. =/ so if it was on the waterline it wouldn't have mattered, right? But yeah it smudged and it went under my eye (like a panda bear) but I thought because it smudged it was just normal stuff, like nothing waterproof.. so now I've no idea how many salaahs I prayed with it on because like if it's waterproof and I never took it off whilst making wudu, them all became invalid.

I'm just gonna estimate like around 3 days of salaah which is 15!! =O.. I think that's a bit much buut I'm just gonna be sure because I cannot remember at all. I don't have to make them all up at the same time right? Cause that's too much.. =( I know it isn't more than that I think... it was at different times.. =/

So would you do it the way you would qadha e umri?

It'd be oil based right.. to make it stick.. so is that a barrier for water or does it just make the colour stick.. it leaves black stuff too.. I dunno, I'll just make the salaahs up. =o

Breaking the fast.

If a person fasts and then breaks it, it has to be made qadhaa of, regardless of whether the fast is fardh or nafl.

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Movements in Salaah.

It's a maximum of 3 movements in one posture.

It's said in the kitaabs that 3 movements is regarded as an 'amali katheer (lot of movement), and these movements are not from salaah, so a lot of movement will break salaah undoubtedly, except in certain cases, for instance like a persons wudhu breaking in salaah then he turns away and makes wudhu and then continues his salaah from where he was as long as he has not spoken, because that has been narrated through a hadeeth.

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Masah of the nape.

There is proof for it, Imaam shawkaani rahimahullaah mentions lots of ahaadeeth in his kitaab nayl al awtaar, some he lists as weak and he lists one particular one from hadhrat ibn umar radhiallaahu anhu, and he quotes imaam ibn hajar rahimahullaah who said this hadeeth is saheeh.

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And remember i said before that you can make du'aa after salaah? Well if you want to do so then turn away from the qiblah.

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I'm proper sorry for being annoying with my questions

Not at all, your questions are always good, it's thanks to you asking questions that i learnt new things, if you hadn't asked then i wouldn't have known

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Dopey people need a whack in the head, but anyway I realised that my kohl was waterproof.. =/ so if it was on the waterline it wouldn't have mattered, right? But yeah it smudged and it went under my eye (like a panda bear) but I thought because it smudged it was just normal stuff, like nothing waterproof.. so now I've no idea how many salaahs I prayed with it on because like if it's waterproof and I never took it off whilst making wudu, them all became invalid.

Are you sure that it's waterproof?

I'm not sure if i've said this before or not, but the ruling in the sharee'ah is that you should be proper in making wudhu, the sharee'ah does not tell you to hurt yourself to remove things, so if for instance you have varnish on your hands, then you must wash it with water properly, and whatever remains on your hands of it will not affect your wudhu, the sharee'ah does not say you must use chemicals either to remove it.

So if you washed your face properly then your wudhu would not be affected by your smudgings.

And anyway i don't know what kuhl you use but i don't remember it being that much of a waterproof thing

i'll answer the rest later Inshaa Allaah.

Hmm.. that's new I thought water had to reach every inch..

Well if I had like paint on my hands and I noticed after salaah then I wouldn't have to redo it and pray again?


It's not exactly kohl I read it, it's more like some other black stuff for the eye.... =/ Yeah it's waterproof it says it.

for all the previous answers.

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It'd be oil based right.. to make it stick.. so is that a barrier for water or does it just make the colour stick.. it leaves black stuff too.. I dunno, I'll just make the salaahs up. =o

Ink sticks and it's not oil based, you should first check properly whether a smudge is waterproof, a sure fire way would be to cut yourself and then fill it with kuhl and then wash and see if you burn

But yeah check it out first and make sure if it's waterproof or not.

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Well if I had like paint on my hands and I noticed after salaah then I wouldn't have to redo it and pray again?

If you washed properly yeah, but if it's paint which can come off easily wjust by washing then it would be a different story cos it'd mean you didn't wash properly

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It's not exactly kohl I read it, it's more like some other black stuff for the eye.... =/ Yeah it's waterproof it says it.

But are its smudges still waterproof?

but if it'll work on your mind and you want to make those salaah then you can make them like qadhaa'i umri, and you start from the first one that you think you missed, and carry on in order from then

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Hmm.. that's new I thought water had to reach every inch..

If you have a wound that's covered by a plaster,and removing the plaster will cause the wound to open/bleed then you make wudhu over the plaster, same goes if your arm is in a cast, you wash whatever can be washed, and whatever cannot be washed is left.

So while water must reach every place, it's not quite as simple as it sounds innay?

Cut myself...

No I don't want to.

That's confusing.. wouldn't you feel bad though, if you've prayed and you realise like paint on your finger... I think even if I knew that it's okay like as you said.. I'd want to pray again... =s maybe that's shaytaan.. but maybe you'd get sinned .. so wouldn't you pray again? How do you tell the difference between waswas and logical reasoning?

Yes I shall just repeat insha Allah.