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PostSubject: Shi'aa beliefs   Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:27 am

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Are they all kaafir? I know some are outright mushrikeen... what do they believe in, how is their aqeedah and what's our approach or feelings meant to be towards them

And I never got the 12 imaam thing.. what's it all about.. it's so weird.. I just, don't get it..

Thing that creeps me out the most is when they beat themselves.. Proper scary.

JazakAllahu khair

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PostSubject: Re: Shi'aa beliefs   Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:58 pm

Basic overview:

They believe in Ali RA's right to rule directly after Rasoolullah Sallallahu alayhi wa's death, due to the events of Ghadir Khum, Rasoolullah Sallallahu alayhi wa's referring to Ali RA as 'mawla' thus he should be the successor after his Sallallahu alayhi wa's death....hence the reason they didnt accept the authority of the Rightly Guided Khulafaa. This small faction of people called themselves 'Shiat Ali' (partisans of Ali)...there is also an opinion which suggests that Abdullah ibn Saba underhandedly caused conflicts between the people.

When every Khalifa was ruling, the Shiaa opposed them and thought Ali RA should take over, and after Uthmaan RA's martyrdom, there was even more conflicts between his tribe/relatives (the Umayyads) and the Shiaa....which led to Mu'awiyah's Caliphate after Ali RA's death. There was also the Battles of the Camel and Siffin in that time. However, seeing as the Shiaa gave utmost importance to the blood lineage of the Ahlul Bayt, they didnt agree with this either and pushed for Hassan and Hussain RA to take it. ....and Hassan RA refused and i think he accepted a monetary sum in return and Hussain RA didnt want to dispute it whilst Mu'awiyah's rule was present. But when Mu'awiyah RA died, before Hussain RA could do anything Yazeed ibn Mu'awiyah took the caliphate for himself. This angered the Shiaat Ali even more, because it was seen as a direct offence against the Ahlul Bayt's right to rule....and these people plotted a lot and persuaded Hussain RA that Yazeed would like to meet him and such things and from the time of Ali RA, the capital had been in Kufa...so they pushed for Hussain RA to meet Yazeed.

However, they wanted to cause trouble and Yazeed was told that Hussain RA had set off with an army to attack him...prompting him to send out an army too. They met each other at Karbala where fighting ensued, but Hussain RA's side was not equipped or great in number and they died...only few survived, like his young son, Ali and from him the Ahlul Bayt line continued. All those of the Shiaat Ali seperated themselves off from the Ummayyads and that was the split.

Basically, for Shiaas they believed the ruler should always be a descendent of Rasoolullah Sallallahu alayhi wa and be male, and this was their 'imaam' who possessed the knowledge close to Allah, he was infallible, free from error and sin...Ali RA was seen as the first Imaam and then after that his sons, grandsons and so on. However, around the 9th century sometime the young boy who was due to be Imaam after his father's death disappeared...he was around 4/5 or maybe slightly older...and it was thought that this was temporary however he was never seen again and then changes were made in rule....where a grand Ayatullah was appointed and this carries on to this day in like Iran...they thought the last Imaam would return again before the End of the World and that he would be Imaam Mahdi...that is the belief of the largest group of Shiites, the IthnaAshariyyah, Twelvers....the Fivers, known as Zaidis hold the opinion that the line continued until the fifth Imaam, they do not place as much glorification of the Imaams as the Twelvers and Seveners (Ismailis, 7 imaams)...hence their closeness in belief to mainstream Sunnis...they are the ones who are seen as 'normal'.

But the others believe in weird things such as:
- The Caliphs collated the Qur'aan and they removed passages which related to Ali RA and same for ahadeeth collections.
- They have their own Shariah Law/tafseer interpretations
- Taqiyyah, concealment of beliefs in certain situations.
- Karbala/Ashura commemoration, feeling the pain and beating themselves with 'every land is Karbala and every day is Ashura. They feel they should take the pain which Hussain RA and his people went through on that day.
- Different Shahada which adds Ali RA's name into it
- Different adhaan/wudhu
- Different salaah, sometimes in method. Mainly with stone from Karbala as headrest in sujood. Combination of salaah so they end up praying 3 times only.
- Prevelance of Mut'ah.
- Dislike of the Khulafaa and Aisha RA


They are regarded as out of the fold of Islaam due to the nature of their beliefs, however there is difference in opinion regarding the Zaydis. BUT some have also declared the Twelvers as part of Islaam, such as old fataawa from Al Azhar, but then again Al Azhar was set up by the Shiiaa Fatimid Dynasty and later came under control of Sunnis. Their belief in taqiyya means that although they may say they dont abuse/dislike the Khulafaa/Aisha RA, you never know if they are saying it for real confused smile

erm, i cant think of much else at the mo scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Shi'aa beliefs   Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:51 pm

okay JazakAllahu khair but why do they act as if they're so sad Hussain radhiyallahu anhu passed away when they themselves caused the trouble... =s it doesn't make sense..

I read that for Yazeed ibn Mu'aawiyah we take the middle way we can't curse him or anything either, so now we leave it at that, right? That's the correct feelings we should have?

It's so sad.. =( so much fitnah happened...

I don't get how can someone not know what they believe is wrong.

You know I was watching them youtube clips by AG.. I dunno his name on ummah last night, about the state in Iran, that's just plain scary.. =( That's why I asked all these questions. And one time I watched something and this man called into this shaykh and was saying they get tortured (he was a sunni) and everything =( So horrific, do the shi'aa believe we're in the wrong? why do they do that?

you can't find them here can you? =o

BTW what's the word shi'aa come from?
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PostSubject: Re: Shi'aa beliefs   Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:03 pm

because to them it wasnt trouble, the fact that Yazeed's army carried out such acts foregoes everything....they have many versions of barbaric and horrific events at Karbala, whether they are true or not, Allahu Alam but it always seems better to concentrate on one part and the severity of it, thats what they do here.

yup @ Yazeed stance.

because those beliefs are ingrained in them from the very beginning, like how everyone believes in their own religion with conviction in thinking its right...to non-Muslims, they think its weird to do tawaaf around a black cuboid in a masjid, but thats cus they dont believe in what we believe and may not know the significance etc...im sure some of them do think what theyre believing is slightly strange if they read more and open their minds though....

they think we dont give Ali RA and the Ahlul Bayt the status and love they deserve....but just cus we do not give them extra powers, doesnt mean we dont love them just the same smack head and they think our allegience lies with the Khulafaa and Aisha RA over the blood relatives of Rasoolullah Sallallahu alayhi wa plus seen as traitors because of them having Caliphate, the supposed destroying of Qur'aanic aayah, hadeeth and not accepting their differences and stuff...same way we think they are wrong, they think that of us.

dunno if you have them in your town, maybe tiny minority if there is a masjid of theres any where? we have them here...they have an average sized masjid and go out on Aashura too...quite a lot in Manchester etc theres a couple of people in my uni Religion class too confused smile
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PostSubject: Re: Shi'aa beliefs   Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:53 pm

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you can't find them here can you? =o

BTW what's the word shi'aa come from?

There are loads of them in the uk.

The word shee'ah has two meanings, 1: sect. 2: followers.

their full name was shee'atu 'ali, ya'ni the followers of 'ali radhiallaahu 'anhu.

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PostSubject: Re: Shi'aa beliefs   Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:48 pm

I didn't even know we had brelwis around here, but we do.. =/ I don't think they had shi'aa masjid here, but I did ask my teacher and she was like yep we have shi'aa, we even have Qadiyaanis =s I'd be scared being in front of one of them too. >_> But them are kuffar aren't they? Cause they believe in another Prophet.. =s It's too weird, all this sects are weird, that's why I'd be creeped meeting one

Why do they do that for, they shouldn't be called shi'atu ali.. cause Ali radhiyallahu anhu has nothing to do with them.

Please don't laugh at my ignorance, but shi'aa and khawaarij.. is there something between them that makes them similar?
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PostSubject: Re: Shi'aa beliefs   Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:22 am

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But them are kuffar aren't they? Cause they believe in another Prophet.. =s It's too weird, all this sects are weird, that's why I'd be creeped meeting one

Yep, they believe in mirza ghulam ahmad qadiyan kaafir.

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Why do they do that for, they shouldn't be called shi'atu ali.. cause Ali radhiyallahu anhu has nothing to do with them.

Originally they were simply the group on 'ali radhiallaahu 'anhus side, then they evolved into this sect that you see today.

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Please don't laugh at my ignorance, but shi'aa and khawaarij.. is there something between them that makes them similar?

Who would laugh at you? The main thing which they resemble each other in is the fact that the shia swear the majority of the sahaabah radhiallaahu 'anhum, and the khawaarij swear 'ali radhiallaahu 'anhu.

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