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PostSubject: Something U might not know!   Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:43 am

Did you know the Quran is the only subject in Islam, that if you study it and obtain an ijaza in it your ijaza goes all the way back to Allah SWT. It will be like 'your name, learnt from your teacher, learnt from so and so.... from the prophet Mohammed SAW, from Angel Jibrael, from Allah SWT.

All the way from the Earth to above the seven heaven, SUBHANALLAH, that what I call a truly spiritual connection!
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PostSubject: Re: Something U might not know!   Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:59 pm

yes and so is ahadeeth:

"Your companion (Muhammad SAW) has neither gone astray nor has erred. Nor does he speak of (his own) desire. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired." (An-Najm 53:2 - 4)

so even hadeeth is revelation,

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PostSubject: Re: Something U might not know!   Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:15 pm

SubhanAllaah, amazing. May Allaah swt make us all hafidh/hafidhas (sp?) and our children and our childrens children and thier children and so on. Ameen.



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PostSubject: Re: Something U might not know!   Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:34 pm

Yes but the ijaaza for Hadeeth does not go back to Allah SWT thats what I was getting at Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Something U might not know!   Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:33 pm

But it does sister

Like for the Qur'an, we could say

Abu Bark -> The Prophet (peace be upon him) -> Jibreel - > To Allah

for Hadeeth

Abu Bark -> The Prophet (peace be upon him) -> Jibreel - > To Allah


its the same.

Hadeeth is also Wahy, but the words of the prophet (peace be upon him), the meaning is from Allah.

because remember, the prophet (peace be upon him) wouldnt 'make up' hadeeth, it was what was told to him..

or perhaps i am misunderstanding...

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PostSubject: Re: Something U might not know!   Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:51 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Something U might not know!   Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:55 pm

And you don't need an ijazah for the qur'an, the fact that you know it is enough of an ijazah.

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PostSubject: Re: Something U might not know!   Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:51 pm

"Your companion (Muhammad SAW) has neither gone astray nor has erred. Nor does he speak of (his own) desire. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired." (An-Najm 53:2 - 4)

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PostSubject: Re: Something U might not know!   Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:24 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Something U might not know!   Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:59 pm

ok study

From the Tafseer on Ibn Katheer: [http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=53&tid=50850]

"Your companion (Muhammad SAW) has neither gone astray nor has erred. Nor does he speak of (his own) desire. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired." (An-Najm 53:2 - 4)

Muhammad was sent as a Mercy for all that exists; He does not speak of His Desire


Allah said, "Nor does he speak of desire", asserting that nothing the Prophet utters is of his own desire or wish,

"It is only a revelation revealed.", means, he only conveys to the people what he was commanded to convey, in its entirety without additions or deletions.

Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Umamah said that he heard the Messenger of Allah say, "Verily, numbers similar to the two tribes, or one of them, Rabi`ah and Mudar, will enter Paradise on account of the intercession of one man, who is not a Prophet." A man asked, "O Allah's Messenger! Is not Rabi`ah a subtribe of Mudar.'' The Prophet said, "I said what I said."

Imam Ahmad recorded that `Abdullah bin `Amr said, "I used to record everything I heard from the Messenger of Allah so it would be preserved. The Quraysh discouraged me from this, saying, `You record everything you hear from the Messenger of Allah , even though he is human and sometimes speaks when he is angry' I stopped recording the Hadiths for a while, but later mentioned what they said to the Messenger of Allah , who said, "Write! By He in Whose Hand is my soul, every word that comes out of me is the Truth.'' Abu Dawud also collected this Hadith. [Sunan Abu Dawud, vol. 3, p. 1035, no. 3639 and authenticated in Saheeh Sunan Abee Daawood, no. 3099. The collection of Hadeeth of ‘Abdullaah ibn ‘Amr is known as as-Saheefah as- Saadiqah.]

I hope that clears it up


not satisfied? ok lets look at the arabic

إِنْ هُوَ إِلاَّ وَحْي ٌ يُوحَى

'In Huwa 'Illā Waĥyun Yūĥá

"It is only an Inspiration that is inspired." (An-Najm 53:4)


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"And say: "Truth has come and Bâtil (falsehood) has vanished. Surely! Bâtil is ever bound to vanish." (Al-Isra 17:81)

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PostSubject: Re: Something U might not know!   Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:16 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Something U might not know!   Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:56 pm

the difference between the quran and hadith is that quran is Allah's words, while Hadeeth are the prophet's actions, sayings and agreements. bt like i proved above, he was inspired by Allah, hence ahadeeth is from Allah!!!

as for weak ahadeeth, these are lies people have invented. you dont realise that revelation is protected, so both the quran and hadeeth is protectd. thats how we know that there exists fake hadeeth!

subhanAllah, is it so difficult for you to understand?
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PostSubject: Re: Something U might not know!   Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:25 pm

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And you don't need an ijazah for the qur'an, the fact that you know it is enough of an ijazah.

Don't you need to get an ijaaza? Are you sure? I thought u had to read it to a teacher and then get an ijaazah?
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PostSubject: Re: Something U might not know!   Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:23 pm

I'm 100% sure, in fact the vast majority of huffaaz don't have a sanad.

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PostSubject: Re: Something U might not know!   Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:05 pm

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I'm 100% sure, in fact the vast majority of huffaaz don't have a sanad.

aswrwb,

Yeah but that's just for normal huffaaz though. I heard for those who are Qaris and who teach the Quran, they need an Ijazah or get an ijazah. And Allah knows best.

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Like for the Qur'an, we could say

Abu Bark -> The Prophet (peace be upon him) -> Jibreel - > To Allah

for Hadeeth

Abu Bark -> The Prophet (peace be upon him) -> Jibreel - > To Allah

You know what? At first I was thinking you are right akhi, but then I noticed this flaw in your assertion. You see, yes Allah sent Jibreel (AS) to reveal the Quran to our Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wa. But hadith was not given by Jibreel (AS), except for the one hadith we know known as Hadith Jibreel, where he (AS) came to teach us about Emaan. So from this, we can see Ijazah in Quran is truely something that goes back to Allah, whereas ahadith are indirect inspirations, so I'd say sister Black_Flag is right. It's not as though Jibreel (AS) was around the Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wa 24/7 to tell him what to do lol. Basically, the Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wa is perfectly described here:

Volumn 008, Book 076, Hadith Number 509.
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Narated By Abu Huraira : Allah's Apostle said, "Allah said, 'I will declare war against him who shows hostility to a pious worshipper of Mine. And the most beloved things with which My slave comes nearer to Me, is what I have enjoined upon him; and My slave keeps on coming closer to Me through performing Nawafil (praying or doing extra deeds besides what is obligatory) till I love him, so I become his sense of hearing with which he hears, and his sense of sight with which he sees, and his hand with which he grips, and his leg with which he walks; and if he asks Me, I will give him, and if he asks My protection (Refuge), I will protect him; (i.e. give him My Refuge) and I do not hesitate to do anything as I hesitate to take the soul of the believer, for he hates death, and I hate to disappoint him."

The Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wa had already achieved that state throughout his life, so then ahadith are a result of it i.e. Quran is Wahi and revelation, but ahadith are regarded to be good because the Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wa fully submitted to Allah and did everything according to Allah's will and pleasure. And this is something we all strive to do inshaAllah.

And all success comes from Allah.

And Allah knows best.

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PostSubject: Re: Something U might not know!   Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:55 am

Maybe its an ijazah to teach tajweed then or something, because my tajweed teacher just got hers recently, i'll ask her though inshallah scratch

And Jazakallahu khair z-blade for that. Hadeeth are not the same as Quranic revelations, they are not wahy. Yes they are inspiration from Allah SWT, but they are not the words of Allah, nor were they revealed in the same manner as the Quran. We cannot call them wahy because Rasulullah SAW himself did not them call them as such. And allah truly knows best.
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PostSubject: Re: Something U might not know!   Tue May 20, 2008 10:43 am

Ok I have read into this a bit more and I agree with bro Imran, I asked my teacher too and she also said what bro Imran said is correct.

1. From the Qur'aan

Allaah says, "Your companion (Muhammad SAW) has neither gone astray nor has erred. Nor does he speak of (his own) desire. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired. (An-Najm 53:2- 4)

Imam Ibn Katheer about these ayat:

"This contains the subject of the oath. This part of the Ayah is the witness that the Messenger of Allah is sane and a follower of Truth. He is neither led astray, such as in the case of the ignorant who does not proceed on any path with knowledge, nor is he one who erred, such as in the case of the knowledgeable, who knows the Truth, yet deviates from it intentionally to something else. Therefore, Allah exonerated His Messenger and his Message from being similar to the misguided ways of the Christians and the erroneous paths of the Jews, such as knowing the Truth and hiding it, while abiding by falsehood. Rather, he, may Allah's peace and blessings be on him, and his glorious Message that Allah has sent him with, are on the perfect straight path, following guidance and what is correct, nothing the Prophet utters is of his own desire or wish, he only conveys to the people what he was commanded to convey, in its entirety without additions or deletions."

2. From The ahadeeth:

Imam Ahmad recorded that `Abdullah bin `Amr said, "I used to record everything I heard from the Messenger of Allah so it would be preserved. The Quraysh discouraged me from this, saying, `You record everything you hear from the Messenger of Allah , even though he is human and sometimes speaks when he is angry' I stopped recording the Hadiths for a while, but later mentioned what they said to the Messenger of Allah , who said, "Write! By He in Whose Hand is my soul, every word that comes out of me is the Truth.'' Abu Dawud also collected this Hadith.

[Sunan Aboo Daawood, vol. 3, p. 1035, no. 3639 and authenticated by Sheikh al – Albaani in Saheeh Sunan Aboo Daawood, no. 3099. The collection of Hadeeth of ‘Abdullaah ibn ‘Amr is known as as-Saheefah as- Saadiqah, as quoted in ‘Usool al – Hadeeth’, by Dr. Bilal Philips, p. 18]

For a more detailed discussion, refer to :http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/77243

How is it that the Prophet (peace be upon him), could answer questions given by people? What about the questions not in the Qur'aan? How did he know the answers to those?

For example:

i. Narrated Aboo Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him): The Prophet (peace be upon him) happened to pass by a heap of eatables (corn). He thrust his hand in that (heap) and his fingers were moistened. He said to the owner of that heap of eatables (corn): "What is this?” He replied: “Messenger of Allah, these have been drenched by rainfall.” He (peace be upon him) remarked: “Why did you not place this (the drenched part of the heap) over other eatables so that the people could see it? He who deceives is not of me (is not my follower).”
[Saheeh Muslim, Book 001, Number 0183]

How could the prophet (peace be upon him) have known that the corn was wet on the bottom. The only two logical explainations is that he would normally stick his hand in all heaps of corn, or he was told by Jibreel of the deception of this man and a lesson was to be made of him?

ii. There are several examples of descriptions of Hell and paradise, signs of the day of judgement, etc. Many of which are not in the Qur'aan. So where did they come from? Did the Prophet (peace be upon him), just make it all up? Think about it, would you follow a man who is just inventing things just like that? Even if he is a messenger of Allah, what makes his words special above others? Wasnt he human? Infact the following hadeeth explains this well:

Rafi' b. Khadij (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) came to Medina and the people had been grafting the trees. He said: "What are you doing?" They said: "We are grafting them," whereupon he said: "It may perhaps be good for you if you do not do that," so they abandoned this practice (and the date-palms) began to yield less fruit. They made a mention of it (to the Prophet), whereupon he said: "I am a human being, so when I command you about a thing pertaining to religion, do accept it, and when I command you about a thing out of my personal opinion, keep it in mind that I am a human being." 'Ikrima reported that he said something like this. [Saheeh Muslim, Book 030, Number 5831]

This, i believe, is sufficient proof the hadeeth is protected is part of the Wahy.
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PostSubject: Re: Something U might not know!   Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:19 pm

the ijaazah is more the permission to be able to teach , when i got mine i had to read the whole quran by heart in hafs from aasim. with tajweed and then i had to read the quran in the 7 ways/qiraat. then i got a seperate sanad for that. its more something that gives you the permission to teach tajweed.... altough it isnt necessary
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