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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:21 pm

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But Allah can get angry though?

Once again it is not like the anger of the creation, Allaah uses the word Ghadhab (anger_ in order for us to get an understanding of what Allaah is meaning, but that does not at all mean that Allaah has human feelings nono the same applies to the pleasure of Allaah and so on.

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So should I talk to her about it... oh no... I don't like being put in these situations.. I actually feel worried for myself too.. what if I ever said anything like that.. ? ='( What can I do..

it's a difficult situation indeed, maybe you can try bringing up the topic of aqeedah with her, and mention that you read that whoever says such-and-such a thing becomes a kaafir and so on, without making it look as if you're telling her that "you uttered kufr! die you evil creature!", so yeah try it in a subtle way.

That's why it's important to learn the laws of riddah (apostasy) so that you can know what is and what isn't permissable to say.

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and she never knew.. is it still kufr, so the shahada has to be repeated? But she was ignorant.. what about alll the good deeds.. is it all gone? =(

According to the ahbaash yes, she left the fold of islaam, all her deeds are lost, she has to give up that belief and repeat the shahaadah etc.

But i'm not too sure about that, i'm still researching that, there are some things that dont add up to me but i wont mention them, not untili've done my research properly.

You should ask al-ghazalli on ummah, he will know what the ruling is.

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How about the statement what people use 'it's not in your hands, it's in Allah's hands' are you allowed to say that or is that too kufr?

That's not kufr, because firstly the word "hands" in that term is not used for physical hands, it means "power" and so on, but if a person meant that Allaah has physical limbs then yes the person would become a kaafir.

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So is photography not allowed then, stronger opinion being you can't take pictures of people?

Yep.

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How do you fix it? Because what if this thing you wanna do has conflicting opinions, and pleasing your parents is something big too.. is that trying to justify and make excuses? How can you fix it? Are you a huge sinner because of it?

I'd have to get all the details before i'd be able to give a ruling concerning it No

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:27 pm

Oh no..

But I can't talk to her, I just don't know what to do.. Maybe if I try emailing her because I can't do face to face conversations about important stuff, I get too nervous...

I'm mega afraid. I can't leave it though..

I'll try asking al-ghazalli on ummah.. should I just PM? I dunno.. I feel weird, I'll give it a shot. BTW I'm saying you told me to ask..

okay that thing what I wanna fix, can I ask you that in PM?

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:30 pm

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But I can't talk to her, I just don't know what to do.. Maybe if I try emailing her because I can't do face to face conversations about important stuff, I get too nervous...

I'm mega afraid. I can't leave it though..

Maybe you can type out a article like email, and then send it as a Forward to her Idea

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I'll try asking al-ghazalli on ummah.. should I just PM? I dunno.. I feel weird, I'll give it a shot. BTW I'm saying you told me to ask..

Yeah you can pm him, tell him i said you should ask him because i don't know the answer.

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okay that thing what I wanna fix, can I ask you that in PM?

Sure, but i must tell you in advance that i'm useless in giving advice and stuff, so it's likely that you might tell me something which i'll be unable to help you with No but yeah you can ask if you want thumbs up

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:34 pm

No it wasn't advice I wanted, it was a ruling kinda question, but it's okay. I don't want to ask anymore.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:44 pm

Anyway I got this reply:

If the individual uttered such a statement not understanding the ramification behind it and regretted it after being told what it implicated he could be excused.

It's all based on intention, Imam al-Rafi in his book “Al-’Aziz”, and by Imam An-Nawawi in Ar-Rawdha and Al-Majmu’ & Imam Ibn Hajar al-Haythami in his Fatawaa Hadithiyya all states:

”When a Mufti is being asked about a certain phrase that could be construed as kufr (disbelief), he should not immediatly say that the speaker should be put to death nor make permissible the shedding of his blood. Rather let him say, ‘The speaker must be asked about what he meant by his statement, and he should hear his explanation, then act accordingly.”

Imam al-Ghazalli in his kitab; Faysal At-Tafriqah bayn Al-Islām wal Zandaqa states:

“Know that the explanation of what gives grounds for declaring someone a disbeliever (kāfir), and what does not, calls for a wealth of details which would necessitate citing all the views and doctrines, and mentioning the specious argument and proof of each individual, and the wat he is remote from the literal meaning and the mode of his interpretation (ta’wīl). Many tomes would not contain that, nor would my time be ample enough to explain it. So I am content now with one directive [wasiyya: counsel, recommendation, injunction] and one rule [qānūn].

The directive (or counsel) [wasiyya] is that you restrain your tongue from [criticism of] the people of the Qiblah (i.e. those who face Makkah to pray; the Muslims) so far as you can as long as they continue to affirm “Lā ilāha illa Allāh, Muhammadur Rasūlullāh”, and do not contradict this shahādah (word of witness). Contradiction would be their allowing that Rasūlullāh (Sallallāhu ‘alayhi wa Sallam) could lie, with a pretext or without a pretext. For takfīr contains a danger: but silence contains no danger.

And Allah Knows Best.


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Okay so, no I don't really get it. haha, but I thought I'd post the reply in case anyone wondered.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:38 pm

What's Allah's names... the Arabic term for it, what is it... they can only be known to us by revelation.. either in Qur'an or from the sunnah, so what's the Arabic word... ? I have it in my head but I dunno what it is..

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:55 pm

Asmaa' ul Husnaa?
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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:15 am

No, not that, it's another word.. it means that only Allah's names and attributes can be known through revelation.. I couldn't hear the speaker properly.. so I missed it.

And you know the rulings and things on kufr and stuff, well I don't think I've gone over that, I know insha Allah I'll get taught it but can I have something to read or something just for now so I can get some kind of knowledge about it?

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:42 pm

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Anyway I got this reply:

From al ghazalli?

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No it wasn't advice I wanted, it was a ruling kinda question, but it's okay. I don't want to ask anymore.

oh.

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No, not that, it's another word.. it means that only Allah's names and attributes can be known through revelation.. I couldn't hear the speaker properly.. so I missed it.

Did he say Asmaa Was Sifaat? confused

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And you know the rulings and things on kufr and stuff, well I don't think I've gone over that, I know insha Allah I'll get taught it but can I have something to read or something just for now so I can get some kind of knowledge about it?

I haven't actually seen anything in english about it yet scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:57 pm

Yep to first.

Nope, not that.. I'll try listening again try and catch it.

I haven't talked to her yet... what do I do .. =(

='( I just had the most scariest thought, if she passes away (and insha Allah she doesn't) will it be on my head because I never told her?

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:13 pm

Okay so I am going to send her this article.. I read it too, I thought it was good, highlight, and then write something to her, to tell her what to, to make her realise what she said... but I need help..

Here's the article:

Speaking About Allah Without Knowledge

(...) Al-Qurtubee in his tafseer, he talks about such people who say when they read the Quraan in my mind this comes to my mind, or my heart tells me this, and he concludes who reads the Quraan and says, "ask your heart" or "my heart tells me," and so forth, they are speaking about Allaah without knowledge ('ilm), which, as we will talk about, one of the greatest sins that we could commit, and that they are actually from zanaadiqa, those who have nothing to do with Islaam, and he said they should be killed as apostates (murtadeen). (...)

When you go to the Quraan and you read a verse from the Quraan and you explain that verse without having the propher knowledge, without following the proper methodology, you might be and only Allaah swt knows, actually following your own hawaa, following your own desires, you might be following an inspiration from the Shaytaan, you might be following dhann (conjecture), which Allaah swt speaks about in many places in the Qur'aan, or it might actually be some kind of inspirataion from Allaah swt, but most likely it is not the last case. And why is it not the last case? Because as we will talk about it later, you did not follow the proper methodology of talking about the Qur'aan and if you did not follow a proper methodology of talking about the Quran, then you have committed a sin already. Just by talking about the Quraan, without proper knowledge, by giving interpretation of the Quraan, without proper knowledge, without proper background, without being qualified to do so, then you've already committed a sin. And since you are commiting a sin, it is very unlikely in most cases that Allaah swt will bless you through that sin to give you the right interpretation of the Quran.

When you say that Allaah swt means this or Allaah swt means that in a specific verse, you are actually speaking or saying something on behalf of Allaah swt, you are actually speaking about Allaah swt, and if you are speaking without knowledge, without 'ilm, this is one of the greatest sins that you could commit.

In fact, Ibn ul Qayyim said that it is the greatest sin. Ibn ul Qayyim said that speaking about Allaah swt without `ilm is the greatest sin that you could commit. He bases it on this verse:

"Qul innamaa 7arrama Rabbi-l-fawaa7isha maa DHahara minhaa wa maa baTan, wal-ithma wal-baghya bi ghayri-l-7aqq, wa an tushrikoo bi-Llaahi maa lam yunazzil bihi sulTaanaa, wa an taqoolo 3ala-l-Laahi maa laa ta3lamoon."

"Say: The things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are al-Fawaahishah (great evil sins, every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse, etc.), whether committed openly or secretly, sins (of all kinds), unrighteous oppession, joining partners (in worship) with Allaah for which He has given no authority and saying things about Allaah of which you have no knowledge." [The Noble Qur'aan, 7]

In discussing this verse, he says, first of all there are some sins which are haraam li-dhaatihi, forbidden due to their own evil nature, and (others which are) haraam li ghairihi, which are forbidden because they lead to some evil or have some evil in them.

And he said with respect to this verse, all of these four, they are haraam in dhaatihi, they are haraam in their own essence, because of the evil in them. Continuing his discussion, he said that Allaah swt first mentions al-fawaahishah, and he says this is the least of the sins that He mentions, after that He mentions the sins of transpasses against the truth; this is a greater sin that the first one that Allaah mentioned.

And then He mentioned making shirk, and finally He mentioned saying things about Allaah swt of which you have no knowledge. He is saying that Allaah swt is going from from the lesser to the greater. And the reason he says is that this last sin of saying about Allaah swt without 'ilm, which is actually what you do when you make tafseer without the proper background, without the proper methodology, he says it involves and it includes many things even more than what commiting shirk involves. He says it involves and it includes:

  • ascribing something falsely to Allaah swt
  • changing or altering the religion of Allaah swt
  • denying what He has confirmed or
  • confirming what He has denied,
  • affirming something declaring false or
  • declaring something false as true, and it also includes
  • supporting something that Allaah swt dislikes or opposes,
  • supporting something that Allaah swt dislikes or opposes, and
  • liking something that Allaah swt dislikes.


In other words, when you are speaking without 'ilm, in the religion, in things which are related to the religion, then in fact you are changing the religion of Allaah swt. And in fact, if you continue what he wrote - this is right from "Madaarij us Saalikeen", 1:372-3 - you find that in fact speaking without `ilm is actually the real source of all kufr and shirk.

He said, for example, the polytheists claim what they are worshipping instead of Allaah swt was something to take them closer to Allaah swt, so the cause of their shirk was saying something about Allaah swt without `ilm, something they did not know about Allaah swt.

Similarly today, the greatest kufr that we have nowadays, among Muslims, but especially among non-Muslims, is secularism and the basis for that is saying that Allaah swt doesn't really care about what we do in worldly affairs, or hasn't really given us guidance for worldly affairs, or the Deen that He sent is not meant for daily affairs; all of this is speaking about Allaah without knowledge.

So in fact, it is one of the greatest sins, and Ibn ul Qayyim even included that it is in fact the greatest sin. And he also mentioned that every bid'ah, every innovation, also is based on some statement that has no support from the Qur'aan and Sunnah, in other words every bid`ah also is based on some statement which is actually made without `ilm.

To think about this point even further, about just going to the Qur'aan, and saying, I am a believer I am pious, I can go to the Qur'aan, and read the Qur'aan, and get its own meaning, if there was any people in the history of mankind who could have said that - maybe we could accept this from them - would be the Companions of the Prophet saws, for many reasons:


They witnessed the revelation of the Quraan itself,
they witnessed the events it was referring to, they were living the events that it was referring to,
the Quran was revealed in their language, the language of their time,
Allaah swt chose them to be the Companions of the Prophet saws,
and he described them as the best generation.

So if anyone could actually make that claim that he has such a pure heart and such a close relationship to Allaah swt or such a good understanding of Islaam, that he can go to the Quraan and interpret the Quraan simply by what his heart tells him or what they used to call ra'ee (personal opinion) - after the Soofees it became "What the heart tells you," but originally it was called ra'ee or personal opinion, it would be the Sahaaba, but if we go to the Sahaaba we see that what they understood and what they learned from the Prophet saws in fact is the complete opposite. What they learned is that it is absolutely forbidden to speak about the Quraan without proper knowledge.

And they made such statements. For example, Aboo Bakr one time said, "What earth would give me place to live and what sky would shade me if I should speak about the Qur'aan with my opinion or by something I do not know." And `Umar ibn al Khattaab, he also said, "Beware of using your opinion in religious matters." And Ibn `Abbaas, the one who the Prophet saws made du`aa for him to understand the Qur'aan, to get the understanding of the Deen, and to be given by Allaah swt the ta`weel or the understanding of the Qur'aan, he also said, "All that there is to follow and obey is the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger. Whoever makes any statement after these two according to his opinion, then I do not know if you'll find among his good deeds or among his sins."

This is the style of Ibn `Abbaas, that he made in many statements. Meaning that even if what you did was something good, looks like something good, you will find it among your sins. And at-Tirmidhee, in his Sunan, he said it has been related from some of the people of `ilm, people of knowledge, the Sahaaba of the Prophet saws and others, that they that they were very strict when it came to speaking about the Qur'aan without `ilm.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:17 pm

='( I just had the most scariest thought, if she passes away (and insha Allah she doesn't)
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will it be on my head because I never told her?

What does your heart tell you? Neutral

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:18 pm

yes it'll be on my head! nooo, please help me come up with something!

Shall I just blurt it out, just say it fact. Times wasting..

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:20 pm

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Okay so I am going to send her this article.. I read it too, I thought it was good,

So did i thumbs up

But what is so surprising is that it mentioned the term "ask your heart" which i just replied to you Shocked

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:22 pm

Yeah that was a bit weird.

Is it required to repeat shahada and if I tell her to, there's no such thing as implied takfeer is there? =s Yes I worry about every little thing..

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:25 pm

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yes it'll be on my head! nooo, please help me come up with something!

Shall I just blurt it out, just say it fact. Times wasting..

You could just send that article, and add in there that you when you read this article you were reminded of what she said, and so you felt you should send it to her too thumbs up

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:27 pm

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Is it required to repeat shahada and if I tell her to, there's no such thing as implied takfeer is there? =s Yes I worry about every little thing..

You know how people are, they get touchy where takfeer is concerned, so she might think you're implying she's a kaafir *shrugs*, so what you should do is tell her that you're not implying that she's a kaafir, but just to be on the safe side she should also just say the shahaadah.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:33 pm

okay so sending...

sent.

=(

I feel horrible.

What if she doesn't read it fast, I've done by bit? I'm selfish I know, but I can't help it.. I do worry what will happen to me. =(

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:40 pm

You shouldn't feel horrible, you are helping another muslim, plus you imparting knowledge, so you'll be rewarded for what you done Inshaa Allaah.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:42 pm

But I wasted so many days to think.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:45 pm

Anyway I messaged her to check her email, insha Allah she will, and I might text her too to check also. =o

JazakAllahu khair for helping me.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:55 pm

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But I wasted so many days to think.

But you did it and that's what counts.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:58 pm

I learnt some stuff from that article, it was an eye opener for me too. I'll go make it look nicer so more people read.

and I added who wrote it.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:09 pm

I'm going to read it fully too Inshaa Allaah thumbs up

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:51 pm

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