Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen was asked, “The conditions for the judgement of takfir of a Muslim? And the judgement upon the one who did any action that is mukaffir (i.e. expels from the religion) but only in jest (not seriously)?”

The Shaykh replied by saying, “For the judgement of the takfir of a Muslim, there are two conditions: The first, that the evidence that this matter is something that expels from the religion is established. The second, the application of the ruling upon the one who does that, in that he has knowledge of it and that he intends it (aaliman bidhaalik qaasidan lahu).

Thus, if he is ignorant, he does not become a disbeliever, due to His saying, “And whoever contends with the Messenger after the guidance has been made clear to him, and he follows a path other than the path of the believers, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen and land him in Jahannam, an evil refuge” (4:115) and His saying, “And Allaah is not one to misguide a people after He has guided them, until He explains to them that which they should avoid…” (9:115), and His saying, “And We never punish until we have sent a Messenger.” (17.15).

However, when this person is neglectful in abandoning learning and attaining clarity, he is not to be excused. Such as when it reaches him that this action of his is kufr, and then he does not verify it (that it is as such), and nor does he investigate, then in this situation, he is not to be excused.

And if he did not intend (ghayr qaasid) the action (i.e. wilfully, knowingly, deliberately), then he does not become a disbeliever. He does not become a disbeliever. Such as for example, when he is compelled to kufr while his heart is secure with Imaan, such as when his thinking becomes confused, so he does not know what he is saying, due to extreme joy and what is like that. Or such as the man with the camel who lost it, then he sat under the tree, waiting for death, and then he finds it tied to the tree, and so he takes it, then he said, “O Allaah, you are my servant and I am your lord”, so he erred due to extreme joy.

However, the one who did something that expels from the religion, only in jest (maazihan), then he becomes a disbeliever, because he intended that [action or statement] (qasada dhaalik), as has been textually stated by the people of knowledge.” (Majmoo al-Fataawaa, 2/125-126).

Okay I have a serious question, on ummah I read those who do not consider a kafir a kafir is himself a kafir..

What do us laypeople do with regards to people who don't pray their salaah? I mean you can't just call them kafir right, leaving the salaah is what determines a believer from the non believer but... I'm kinda confused... dunno if this is the right thread to ask..

I heard in a lecture one time that you can't just declare someone a kafir if they leave their salaah? Because... oh.. I just remembered something. If they say that oh salaah is not an obligation on them, then that is wrong right? But if they leave it because they can't be bothered and acknowledge that salaah is obligatory but just don't pray then ... ?

The hanafi, shaafi'i and maaliki 'ulamaa says that leaving yoru salaah doesn't make you a kaafir, only the hanbalis do.

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What do us laypeople do with regards to people who don't pray their salaah? I mean you can't just call them kafir right,

That's right, you can't call them kaafir.

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If they say that oh salaah is not an obligation on them, then that is wrong right

Yes, in that case you can call them kaafir, i was going to write an article regarding takfeer os sinners but i never got around to doing it

The gist of it is, we do not make takfeer of sinners as long as they don't say the sin is halaal, leaving off salaah is a sin, but it doesn't make a person a kaafir, however to deny it being fardh that is kufr.

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But if they leave it because they can't be bothered and acknowledge that salaah is obligatory but just don't pray then ... ?

Then they are sinners, but they are still muslim.

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Akhi Admin.. What about making takfir on the armies.. for example the Pakistani Army..

^^Already read it .. JazakAllah khair

Does takfeer have to be uttered?

I heard one time you can say that someone is involved in kufr... as a slap in the face like hello what are you doing! But is that correct even?