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Rasoolullaah Sallallaahu 'Alayhi Wa Sallam said: There are no days greater to Allaah or more beloved to do good deeds in them than these ten days (of dhul hijjah), so increase in them Tahleel (Laa Ilaaha Illallaah) and Takbeer (Allaahu Akbar) and Tahmeed (Alhamdulillaah).Reported by Imaam Ahmad Rahimahullaah in his Musnad.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:22 pm

You see your article refutes your view, see it says:

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The salaf, the imams and all the scholars of the Sunnah, when they say that He is above the Throne, He is in heaven above all things, do not mean that there is something which contains Him or surrounds Him, or that He has a location, or that there is something that encompasses Him. Exalted be He above that.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:05 pm

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This young girl was uneducated, as many are, and she was a slave, but she knew that her Lord is above heaven. Some misguided people (e.g. the Ash'aris) deny that Allaah is above heaven, and say, "He is neither above nor below; neither to the right nor to the left. He is everywhere!" SubhaanAllah!


What a load of nonsense, if there's one thing i hate it's liars, and this person is an outright liar.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:58 pm

My mistake...

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:17 pm

Well then he knows absolutely nothing about ash'aris, because i have studied by ash'aris, and not a single one beleives that Allaah is everywhere, in fact they all refute those who believe that Allaah is everywhere.

This is the problem of today, both ash'aris and salafis are happy to live in ignorance and bash each other for beliefs which neither party holds, ash'aris bash salafis for believing that Allaah has a body and that's not the case, and you've just seen the example of salafis believing something about ash'aris that isn't true either.

If salafis and ash'aris had to come together like sensible muslims then perhaps some unity might be able to be restored when all the lies is exposed as lies.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Sun Jun 07, 2009 4:45 pm

I thought that you can't say this person's going to hell... like say that to an individual person because who are you to be the judge... even if the person dies as a 'kafir' cause you don't know what's in their heart?

So how comes I'm reading things like "it's a shame, they've all gone to hell" isn't that a bit serious to say? Like you can't say that.. can you? I mean you can't judge... or can you judge on what is apparent?

We can say like what Allah says in the Qur'an right, like those that die on shirk, but you can't make a statement like that on an individual person even if they did commit shirk without repenting?

and I know this isn't really and aqeedah question but did the Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wa really get a choice between eternal life and dying? I ask because I heard this in a lecture, and I don't remember any proof.. would like it verifying insha Allah.. JazakAllahu khair
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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:33 pm

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I thought that you can't say this person's going to hell... like say that to an individual person because who are you to be the judge... even if the person dies as a 'kafir' cause you don't know what's in their heart?


No, if a person dies as a kaafir then you can say he's going to jahannam, there is no harm in that.

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So how comes I'm reading things like "it's a shame, they've all gone to hell" isn't that a bit serious to say? Like you can't say that.. can you? I mean you can't judge... or can you judge on what is apparent?


Aye we judge by what is apparent, so if a person is a kaafir then it's permissable to tell him that if he don't accept islaam then he'll go to jahannam, but while he's alive you can't say for certain that he will definately go to jahannam because you don't know if he might accept islaam before he dies, but after he dies and if he died a kaafir then there is no harm whatsoever in saying it, after all Allaah says so many times in the Qur'aan, check surah baqarah aayah 39 and 161, and surah aal imraan aayah 91, and there are so many others that i can't begin to list them all.

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We can say like what Allah says in the Qur'an right, like those that die on shirk, but you can't make a statement like that on an individual person even if they did commit shirk without repenting?


Is fir'awn not a person? haamaan? abu jahl? abu lahb? even abu taalib?

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and I know this isn't really and aqeedah question but did the Prophet really get a choice between eternal life and dying?


I have not heard of that so i can't help you.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:08 pm

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and I know this isn't really and aqeedah question but did the Prophet really get a choice between eternal life and dying?


The Prophet sallAllahu aleyhi wassallam delivered a speech at the end of his life in which he said: “Allaah has given a slave the choice between immortality in this world for as long as Allaah wills, or meeting his Lord, and he has chosen to meet his Lord.” This is what he said at the end of his life. Abu Bakr wept, and the people were surprised that Abu Bakr wept at these words. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was the one who was given the choice, and Abu Bakr knew the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) better than any of the people.

A’ishah who said: When the Prophet was healthy, he used to say, “No soul of a Prophet is taken until he has been shown his place in Paradise and then he is given the choice.” When death approached him while his head was on my thigh, he became unconscious and then recovered consciousness. He then looked at the ceiling of the house and said, “O Allah! (with) the highest companions." I said (to myself), “He is not going to choose (to stay with) us.” Then I understood what he meant when he said that to us when he was healthy. The last words he spoke were, "O Allah! (with) the highest companions.”

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4463; Muslim, 2444.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:01 pm

Is photography shirk... ? At least taking pictures of yourself? What's the opinion of majority of scholars? I kinda did my own research one time and I read it's not allowed... except passport photos etc.. *shrugs* I dunno though..

So what's the final verdict? Better to stay away? Should you delete get rid of photos you have?


You know this statement, I thought it was a bit dodgy... "I put my life on it" is it taking on oath on your life? And you can't do that can you? Is that minor shirk or major shirk? Is it shirk?

you know when someone calls Allah God in stead.. are you allowed to like not like it because Allah's name is Allah and you want Muslims to call Allah by Allah and not God?

Can you tell me if this is correct..

You know you have to love Allah more than anyone/anything else, so say you're afraid to something that'll please Allah because you don't want your parents and people like that to be upset at you, are you loving them more than Allah?

If someone says something a bit... okay they say like "I think Allah has a sense of humour" or... "I think Allah is really funny" how do you respond... no serious, how do you? Because I was put in that position yesterday and I was like inside thinking "woah .." but that's all I could do I was pretty godsmacked, so I never said anything... =( I just waited until they were finished... if they had said something bad I'd have gotten mad and stuff, but.. I didn't know how to respond to this.

I know you can't speak about Allah without knowledge.. so should I try talking to this person about what they said? If so how do I approach it. Also... another thing what happened was when we were talking, we're kinda close we blurt stuff out that's the same at the same time... anyway, so the two times that happened they were like 'jinx' ... Is that not a bit wrong because jinx is like.. =s Unless it's just said random does it make it okay? I'm sorry if it's a silly question, I get worried.. and I never said anything about that too because I wasn't sure..
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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:50 pm

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Is photography shirk... ? At least taking pictures of yourself?


It's not shirk and never has been shirk, haraam is very different from shirk.

And your research was correct thumbs up

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You know this statement, I thought it was a bit dodgy... "I put my life on it" is it taking on oath on your life? And you can't do that can you? Is that minor shirk or major shirk? Is it shirk?


It depends on what you mean and understand from that, i understand it to be a strong affirmation of the truth, and not an oath, and that is permissable.

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you know when someone calls Allah God in stead.. are you allowed to like not like it because Allah's name is Allah and you want Muslims to call Allah by Allah and not God?


That's fine, and it's good to do so actually.

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You know you have to love Allah more than anyone/anything else, so say you're afraid to something that'll please Allah because you don't want your parents and people like that to be upset at you, are you loving them more than Allah?


It looks that way doesn't it?

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If someone says something a bit... okay they say like "I think Allah has a sense of humour" or... "I think Allah is really funny" how do you respond... no serious, how do you?


You tell the person to go study Aqeedah, because that is undoubtedly haraam to say, in fact to me it looks kufr akbar, because the person is attributing Allaah with the qualities of the creation, and to do that is kufr.

The most important rule in aqeedah that you should always remember is the aayah "laysa kamithlihi shay" (there is no likeness unto Him), so whenever aayaah and ahaadeeth mentions things like hand face etc etc then you should know that it does not mean that Allaah has limbs and so on, to believe that is kufr.

Many a times people speak kufr without realising it, like when telling someone not to do haraam "Allaah will get mad with you", that is outright kufr, the same with saying "Allaah can't stomach it" and other such kufr statements.

Allaah must only be described with those qualities which He has described Himself with, and not with any qualities of the creation.

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Is that not a bit wrong because jinx is like.. =s Unless it's just said random does it make it okay?


i don't understand what you mean confused

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:58 pm

But Allah can get angry though? Because of the hadith Qudsi:

Hadith Qudsi 1:

On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said:
When Allah decreed the Creation He pledged Himself by writing in His book which is laid down with Him: My mercy prevails over my wrath.

It was related by Muslim (also by al-Bukhari, an-Nasa'i and Ibn Majah).

(In some translations it's translated as 'anger')

So should I talk to her about it... oh no... I don't like being put in these situations.. I actually feel worried for myself too.. what if I ever said anything like that.. ? ='( What can I do..

and she never knew.. is it still kufr, so the shahada has to be repeated? But she was ignorant.. what about alll the good deeds.. is it all gone? =(

How about the statement what people use 'it's not in your hands, it's in Allah's hands' are you allowed to say that or is that too kufr?

So is photography not allowed then, stronger opinion being you can't take pictures of people?

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You know you have to love Allah more than anyone/anything else, so say you're afraid to something that'll please Allah because you don't want your parents and people like that to be upset at you, are you loving them more than Allah?
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It looks that way doesn't it?


How do you fix it? Because what if this thing you wanna do has conflicting opinions, and pleasing your parents is something big too.. is that trying to justify and make excuses? How can you fix it? Are you a huge sinner because of it?
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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:21 pm

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But Allah can get angry though?


Once again it is not like the anger of the creation, Allaah uses the word Ghadhab (anger_ in order for us to get an understanding of what Allaah is meaning, but that does not at all mean that Allaah has human feelings nono the same applies to the pleasure of Allaah and so on.

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So should I talk to her about it... oh no... I don't like being put in these situations.. I actually feel worried for myself too.. what if I ever said anything like that.. ? ='( What can I do..


it's a difficult situation indeed, maybe you can try bringing up the topic of aqeedah with her, and mention that you read that whoever says such-and-such a thing becomes a kaafir and so on, without making it look as if you're telling her that "you uttered kufr! die you evil creature!", so yeah try it in a subtle way.

That's why it's important to learn the laws of riddah (apostasy) so that you can know what is and what isn't permissable to say.

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and she never knew.. is it still kufr, so the shahada has to be repeated? But she was ignorant.. what about alll the good deeds.. is it all gone? =(


According to the ahbaash yes, she left the fold of islaam, all her deeds are lost, she has to give up that belief and repeat the shahaadah etc.

But i'm not too sure about that, i'm still researching that, there are some things that dont add up to me but i wont mention them, not untili've done my research properly.

You should ask al-ghazalli on ummah, he will know what the ruling is.

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How about the statement what people use 'it's not in your hands, it's in Allah's hands' are you allowed to say that or is that too kufr?


That's not kufr, because firstly the word "hands" in that term is not used for physical hands, it means "power" and so on, but if a person meant that Allaah has physical limbs then yes the person would become a kaafir.

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So is photography not allowed then, stronger opinion being you can't take pictures of people?


Yep.

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How do you fix it? Because what if this thing you wanna do has conflicting opinions, and pleasing your parents is something big too.. is that trying to justify and make excuses? How can you fix it? Are you a huge sinner because of it?


I'd have to get all the details before i'd be able to give a ruling concerning it No

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:27 pm

Oh no..

But I can't talk to her, I just don't know what to do.. Maybe if I try emailing her because I can't do face to face conversations about important stuff, I get too nervous...

I'm mega afraid. I can't leave it though..

I'll try asking al-ghazalli on ummah.. should I just PM? I dunno.. I feel weird, I'll give it a shot. BTW I'm saying you told me to ask..

okay that thing what I wanna fix, can I ask you that in PM?
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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:30 pm

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But I can't talk to her, I just don't know what to do.. Maybe if I try emailing her because I can't do face to face conversations about important stuff, I get too nervous...

I'm mega afraid. I can't leave it though..


Maybe you can type out a article like email, and then send it as a Forward to her Idea

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I'll try asking al-ghazalli on ummah.. should I just PM? I dunno.. I feel weird, I'll give it a shot. BTW I'm saying you told me to ask..


Yeah you can pm him, tell him i said you should ask him because i don't know the answer.

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okay that thing what I wanna fix, can I ask you that in PM?


Sure, but i must tell you in advance that i'm useless in giving advice and stuff, so it's likely that you might tell me something which i'll be unable to help you with No but yeah you can ask if you want thumbs up

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:34 pm

No it wasn't advice I wanted, it was a ruling kinda question, but it's okay. I don't want to ask anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:44 pm

Anyway I got this reply:

If the individual uttered such a statement not understanding the ramification behind it and regretted it after being told what it implicated he could be excused.

It's all based on intention, Imam al-Rafi in his book “Al-’Aziz”, and by Imam An-Nawawi in Ar-Rawdha and Al-Majmu’ & Imam Ibn Hajar al-Haythami in his Fatawaa Hadithiyya all states:

”When a Mufti is being asked about a certain phrase that could be construed as kufr (disbelief), he should not immediatly say that the speaker should be put to death nor make permissible the shedding of his blood. Rather let him say, ‘The speaker must be asked about what he meant by his statement, and he should hear his explanation, then act accordingly.”

Imam al-Ghazalli in his kitab; Faysal At-Tafriqah bayn Al-Islām wal Zandaqa states:

“Know that the explanation of what gives grounds for declaring someone a disbeliever (kāfir), and what does not, calls for a wealth of details which would necessitate citing all the views and doctrines, and mentioning the specious argument and proof of each individual, and the wat he is remote from the literal meaning and the mode of his interpretation (ta’wīl). Many tomes would not contain that, nor would my time be ample enough to explain it. So I am content now with one directive [wasiyya: counsel, recommendation, injunction] and one rule [qānūn].

The directive (or counsel) [wasiyya] is that you restrain your tongue from [criticism of] the people of the Qiblah (i.e. those who face Makkah to pray; the Muslims) so far as you can as long as they continue to affirm “Lā ilāha illa Allāh, Muhammadur Rasūlullāh”, and do not contradict this shahādah (word of witness). Contradiction would be their allowing that Rasūlullāh (Sallallāhu ‘alayhi wa Sallam) could lie, with a pretext or without a pretext. For takfīr contains a danger: but silence contains no danger.

And Allah Knows Best.


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Okay so, no I don't really get it. haha, but I thought I'd post the reply in case anyone wondered.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:38 pm

What's Allah's names... the Arabic term for it, what is it... they can only be known to us by revelation.. either in Qur'an or from the sunnah, so what's the Arabic word... ? I have it in my head but I dunno what it is..
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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:55 pm

Asmaa' ul Husnaa?

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:15 pm

No, not that, it's another word.. it means that only Allah's names and attributes can be known through revelation.. I couldn't hear the speaker properly.. so I missed it.

And you know the rulings and things on kufr and stuff, well I don't think I've gone over that, I know insha Allah I'll get taught it but can I have something to read or something just for now so I can get some kind of knowledge about it?
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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:42 pm

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Anyway I got this reply:


From al ghazalli?

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No it wasn't advice I wanted, it was a ruling kinda question, but it's okay. I don't want to ask anymore.


oh.

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No, not that, it's another word.. it means that only Allah's names and attributes can be known through revelation.. I couldn't hear the speaker properly.. so I missed it.


Did he say Asmaa Was Sifaat? confused

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And you know the rulings and things on kufr and stuff, well I don't think I've gone over that, I know insha Allah I'll get taught it but can I have something to read or something just for now so I can get some kind of knowledge about it?


I haven't actually seen anything in english about it yet scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Questions...   Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:57 pm

Yep to first.

Nope, not that.. I'll try listening again try and catch it.

I haven't talked to her yet... what do I do .. =(

='( I just had the most scariest thought, if she passes away (and insha Allah she doesn't) will it be on my head because I never told her?
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